Thursday, June 01, 2006

Ethics lessons for US Iraq troops

Is it just me, or does this seem like a solution that is not a solution. These soldiers already get this training in boot camp. Why didn't it take? Why do the commanding officers think this will change anything? What a farce!

Bush policy has pushed them to the point where they are snapping!

Some have been on three tours of duty in an environment that is a walking exploding PTSD petri dish.

Expect more of this. This war is lost.
Get over it, Bush and bring our troops home!

For full story, click on the top headline.

Bodies of Haditha victims
The US says it is still investigating what happened at Haditha
US-led troops in Iraq are to undergo ethical training in the wake of the alleged murder of civilians in Haditha.

For the next 30 days, they will receive lessons in "core
warrior values", a military statement said.

Correspondents say Haditha, where US marines are suspected of massacring up to 24 Iraqi civilians, could
have a huge effect on US public opinion.

In a separate incident, US forces were accused of shooting dead a pregnant woman as she was rushed to hospital.


At 10:29 AM, Blogger thepoetryman said...

Again...we are in sink my friend! "Honorable Thirst"... :>)

Fine post, by the way...

This charade will change nothing.

At 10:53 AM, Blogger M.D. said...

And they tried to cover it up! Truly awful. Will anyone up the chain of command be held accountable? No.

As far as I could tell from the movie Uncovered, the mission of the troops is to go on patrol and become sitting ducks for anyone who wants to shoot at them. It's completely pointless.

At 11:05 AM, Blogger glenda said...

Know what I think? There will eventually be an uprising of the Iraqi people, a civil war against the US presence of truly large numbers. Then we will have to leave or kill them all.

This has dishonored the code of the Marines. The coverup stinks, but more importantly, a fish stinks from the head down. Let's impeach Bush!

At 11:18 AM, Blogger pissed off patricia said...

According to what I've been reading this is not a big story in Iraq because the Iraqi people see it happening all the time. Remember before we heard about the prison torture, the Iraqi people had been talking about it for a long time.

It's time to pack up and come home. It's time for the Dems to take back the house at least in Nov and it's past time to kick this SOB out of the white house.

Tony Blair at least had the guts to go over to Iraq, when was the last time panty wearing bush was there? Has he been since he served the fake turkey that Thanksgiving? I can't remember.

At 12:50 PM, Blogger Peacechick Mary said...

This White House and Congress are the most illogical, useless people I have ever witnessed. First they send Marines who are trained to attack and kill, then tell them not to kill, stretch them to the breaking point and scream ethics at them when they kill. Stooooopid people and their stoooopid war are killing us! Gooooo Glenda!

At 1:13 PM, Anonymous guerrillasinthemidst said...

Sensitivity training for a mercenary army? Why is bombing the frack out of entire cities acceptable?

At 1:46 PM, Blogger JM said...

Perhaps having an Attorney General who doesn't believe that we are bound by The Geneva Convention isn't setting the best example. That's bound to give the 'ol "moral compass" a bit of a spin away from true north.

At 1:51 PM, Blogger glenda said...

Sensitivity training would teach them to kill GENTLY and WITH SENSITIVITY.

Here's the deal, if the training didn't work the first time, what's changed?

To me, this is about soldiers who are used to the point of breaking AND accepting recruits who should never be in the military in the fist place.

Besides, we shouldn't have gone in there anyway.

PoP. I actually have heard that the resentment is building stronger and stories about American atrocities that have not made it to the mainsream press, are creating popular resistance in some places.

At 6:07 PM, Anonymous earl bockenfeld said...

"Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."

From the incomparable Alice's Restaurant by Arlo Guthrie.

I think if you have followed the war by reading either the foreign or alternative press you would know that this incident is not as atypical as the mainstream implies.
I also have been alarmed at all the shootings of innocents at checkpoints. The soldiers don't speak the language or know much about the culture to communicate instructions with drivers. Many vechicles are shot at when fleeing the checkpoint and couldn't be a suicide bomber.

Maybe you might investigate, for starters what happened in Falluja; you might also notice that from the beginning civilians have been targeted and terrorized (Shock and Awe remember?) but civilian deaths have simply not been reported in the United States. Does this tell us anything?

Robert Fisk of the London Independent has been faithfully visiting Iraqi hospitals since Shock and Awe and has written movingly of the situation over the years. Absolutely no MSM outlet has done any real reporting on this subject until Bush's precipitous drop in the polls.

If you research the Vietnam War as well as other wars like the Indian Wars and the Philippine War you will learn that U.S. military brutality is quite common. I have it from friends who served in Vietnam that atrocities happened a lot. My Lay was not unique at all--just things being what they are it became the limited hangout that was required to keep the public stupid.

Giving the grunts lectures on "core values" are they? It's the administration, starting with the WH, that needs education on core values - such as, you don't bomb the shit out of, invade and occupy another country on the basis of lies in order to enrich your cronies.

As Glenda knows, the fish rots from the top down.

At 6:51 PM, Blogger glenda said...

I agree with you unilaterally, Earl, sad to say, there are few news outlets that will dare to speak up. And many foreign ones that won't either. The Guardian and the BBC in Great Britain are usually reliable in my experience. Austrlaian nad Indian not so much. And these are not isolated. Few writers have collected all the information and connected the dots.

At 7:21 PM, Anonymous earl bockenfeld said...

It seems too much to hope that Haditha be an isolated incident:

The BBC has uncovered new video evidence that US forces may have been responsible for the deliberate killing of 11 innocent Iraqi civilians.

The video appears to challenge the US military’s account of events that took place in the town of Ishaqi in March.

The US said at the time four people died during a military operation, but Iraqi police claimed that US troops had deliberately shot the 11 people.

A spokesman for US forces in Iraq told the BBC an inquiry was under way.

Peter Daou: As I wrote earlier, rightwing bloggers have come unhinged over Haditha:

"Michelle Malkin posts an LGF photo of Palestinian children carrying weapons - the implication being? That shooting children is justified?

Glenn Reynolds links to a comment threatening civil war in the US.

At RCP, Jed Babbin writes, "If it were up to Cong. John Murtha, Duke University rape case prosecutor Mike Nifong would be transferred to the Haditha case."

If this BBC report is accurate, expect more extreme rhetoric from these rightwing bloggers as they cling to the tattered remnants of their fictional moral justification for this misadventure."

And right now we have Condi Rice in Europe trying to whip up support for military action against Iran. These people are fuckin' crazy.

At 7:47 PM, Anonymous Pekka said...

Earl Bockenfeld knows his stuff.

At 1:31 AM, Blogger sumo said...

Mind blowing.

At 6:09 AM, Blogger betmo said...

they need a break. if dimb, dumber, and dumbest would acknowledge that and pull our troops back for r and r- perhaps they wouldn't be psycho killing machines. as my mother points out- even in ww2 the troops had a break. this is ridiculous and puts the blame on the troops instead of firmly on the shoulders of cheney and rumsfeld.

At 6:11 AM, Blogger betmo said...

anyone read 'the moon is down' by steinbeck? that fits this situation as it is unfolding.

At 6:42 AM, Blogger WeezieLou said...

i would hazard a guess that this shit happens in all wars, even the one we hold out as the most 'justifed' - WW II. i think thyat is is essentially against the human nature of most people to kill (except for the psychopath) except in self-defense. that these marines are killing without being loiterally in the cross hairs tells us much about the PTSD being experienced. it's quite psychologcally possible to feel one's life in danger when, in fact, it is not. i think this line of thinking concludes with the enormous likelihood of what was said above - that the uprising in iraq will continue, with the USW the prime market. Enough of the nice words - FUCK THIS SHIT.

At 6:06 PM, Blogger Candace said...

So, let me get this straight. The military is sending everybody back for a refresher course on ethics. So, like, the troops who committed these atrocities were what, out sick on the day during the first course on ethics where it was explained that we do not go inside civilians' houses and SHOOT THEIR CHILDREN HIDING UNDER THE BEDS? They missed that part in the first course? So sending them back for a refresher will solve the problem? Riiight.

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