Saturday, April 08, 2006

Was Bush Pissing in the Wind?

19 Comments:

At 9:41 AM, Blogger Peacechick Mary said...

LOL! Love it and thanks for the chuckle. BTW, did you read about the scientist from Texas who proposed killing off 90% of the earth's population with viruses and he got a standing ovation? What is it with these people?

 
At 10:14 AM, Blogger glenda said...

Yeah, you see, that's what I have to deal with everyday!! But in all fairness, it would only be pre-emptive killing.

 
At 10:25 AM, Anonymous earl bockenfeld said...

This story is from the New Yorker's Seymour Hersh, Bush already has decided on war with Iran, and is thinking of using nukes. Hersh who unfortunately gets his stories right.

Bush is planning to attack Iran with a massive massive attack. He's afraid Iran is developing nukes, so the idea is to launch a devastating attack against Iran so that - get this - the Iranians rise up against their own government. Sound familiar?

From the New Yorker:

One former defense official, who still deals with sensitive issues for the Bush Administration, told me that the military planning was premised on a belief that “a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government.” He added, “I was shocked when I heard it, and asked myself, ‘What are they smoking?’ ”

Sound like Iraq yet? Try this quote:

A senior Pentagon adviser on the war on terror expressed a similar view. “This White House believes that the only way to solve the problem is to change the power structure in Iran, and that means war,” he said.

A long time ago I read something about WW111 starting in the middle east and virutally ensuring the destruction of mankind. I cannot for the life of me remember where I read this, but upon seeing this post this morning, that old memory came flooding back.

Anarchy? Marital Law? Terms read in books now seem to take on meanings in this real Bush world.

Holy shit that gets yer attention! Somebody got between Bush and the football?

I think most of the world would prefer that Iran had nukes and we didn't.

 
At 12:44 PM, Anonymous Pekka said...

earl bockenfeld is bang on in his "wild guess" that the world considers present day USA the biggest treath to piece. There has been several polls about the subject by the most European countries and, I am sad to report, you "won" them all by convincing marigin.

 
At 1:05 PM, Blogger glenda said...

Hey, Earl! Great to see you over at TBR.

 
At 1:57 PM, Anonymous earl bockenfeld said...

Hi glenda, guess we'll have to stop meeting like this. Just kidding, it's hard work trying to keep all these balls in the air at the same time.

 
At 2:34 PM, Blogger glenda said...

Earl,
I commented over at LTN that you need to take hubby and me on a road trip when you go! :)

 
At 5:30 PM, Anonymous earl bockenfeld said...

glenda, here's what I answered over at LTN.

Nuking Iran has been discussed since last summer. But the current Hersh New Yorker article talks about the Joint Chiefs trying to remove the nuclear option in planning and the WH keeps puting it back on. Discussions are underway, groups within the Gov are fighting over this and Joint Chief staff and administration officials are talking about resigning, etc.

With Bush's credibility where it is now, there wouldn't be any UN resolutions, or any run-up to a war. I would expect, "My fellow Americans, YOUR bombers are in the air and headed towards liberating Iran. I am confident of a quick and complete victory - this time. Good night and God Bless American. You can duck and cover, I'm going to go down to the command bunker now.

Talk about making the same mistakes over and over, and then expecting a different outcome. I think the Neocons think it's now-or-never for their idiotic grand scheme. The Talibornagins are probably having a wet-dream as they sell off their stuff and gett ready for their ride-in-the-sky.

Glenda, can you drive south and get down to the tip of South America? Do you know anything about medicines for radiation sickness?

 
At 6:03 PM, Blogger glenda said...

Earl,
I had an adventurous drive all the way south to Acapulco bay once, a trip which included accidentally getting in the middle of some riots and policia and waking up to a major earthquake in Mexico City.. I do not know if there is a road through Guatemala all the way to the Panama canal, but I vaguely remember some hippies I knew riding bicycles all the way to South America...

Radiation scikness, no cure.
According to: http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0840918.html

"There is no treatment for radiation sickness, although it is sometimes possible for persons to survive otherwise lethal doses of radiation if bone marrow transplants are performed. Potassium iodide is to protect against thyroid cancer from radiation exposure, but the drug should ideally be taken four hours prior to the exposure."

 
At 6:24 PM, Blogger eProf2 said...

Hi Glenda:

You're such a wicked girl! It's too bad that the wind was blowing in the photo so he'd be pissing on himself. Oh, that's right, he is! Since you're wicked side is here, what does PinkFem say?

The Pan American highway, Route Number One, goes all the way to Argentina. Not always the best road, but it's there. My only experience on it was in Costa Rica heading north but was stopped at the Nicaraquan border due to the war going on there.

Thanks for stopping off at the blog. Have a great weekend.

 
At 6:49 PM, Anonymous earl bockenfeld said...

I think South is the only way to go, if there's a way to get there. I think the Northern hemisphere could get a little hot. No treatment for radiation sickness or nuclear winter. Damn.

Bush is really staring into an abyss right now. If the GOP loses Congress this November, there will be serious investigations next year into everything connected to the origins and conduct of the Iraq War. If that happens Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld--the whole crowd, in fact--face the very real possibility of jail time.

Faced with that prospect...they'll hit Iran.

Hersh predicted something along these lines a little over a year ago, and turned out to be wrong. I think he was wrong only because the Administration and the GOP weren't in the deep doo-doo they're in right now.

We're not dealing with very bright people. Last time, they used a war to leverage a mid-term election, and it worked.

I seriously doubt anybody in the White House is thinking deeper than "Well, it worked the last time, didn't it?". They're not much for the long term, or follow-through, or unintended consequences.

 
At 7:02 PM, Blogger pinkfem said...

They are very short-term thinkers. and the christocrats are hoping for the rapture.
You could always join the Mormons, don't they have bunkers for such emergencies in the mountains?
Although there's that issue of the hairshirt they wear.
Wow. I just realized that this could make the immigration issue a serious moot point. We'll all be going he other way, into Mexico. Ever been to Guadalajara?

 
At 8:42 PM, Anonymous earl bockenfeld said...

If you didn't see this. The Iran Plans. Thanks for the Post link. It sounded better than Hersh except for one item. Bush wants to deal with this during his term. Oh shit, Georgie, you're doing a hellva job.

Scary items:

#1) A government consultant with close ties to the civilian leadership in the Pentagon said that Bush was “absolutely convinced that Iran is going to get the bomb” if it is not stopped. He said that the President believes that he must do “what no Democrat or Republican, if elected in the future, would have the courage to do,” and “that saving Iran is going to be his legacy.”

#2) One former defense official, who still deals with sensitive issues for the Bush Administration, told me that the military planning was premised on a belief that “a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government.” He added, “I was shocked when I heard it, and asked myself, ‘What are they smoking?’ ”

#3) The Pentagon adviser on the war on terror confirmed that some in the Administration were looking seriously at this option, which he linked to a resurgence of interest in tactical nuclear weapons among Pentagon civilians and in policy circles. He called it “a juggernaut that has to be stopped.” He also confirmed that some senior officers and officials were considering resigning over the issue. “There are very strong sentiments within the military against brandishing nuclear weapons against other countries,” the adviser told me. “This goes to high levels.” The matter may soon reach a decisive point, he said, because the Joint Chiefs had agreed to give President Bush a formal recommendation stating that they are strongly opposed to considering the nuclear option for Iran. “The internal debate on this has hardened in recent weeks,” the adviser said. “And, if senior Pentagon officers express their opposition to the use of offensive nuclear weapons, then it will never happen.”

#4) Iran, which now produces nearly four million barrels of oil a day, would not have to cut off production to disrupt the world’s oil markets. It could blockade or mine the Strait of Hormuz, the thirty-four-mile-wide passage through which Middle Eastern oil reaches the Indian Ocean.

#5) The Europeans are rattled, however, by their growing perception that President Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney believe a bombing campaign will be needed, and that their real goal is regime change. “Everyone is on the same page about the Iranian bomb, but the United States wants regime change,” a European diplomatic adviser told me. He added, “The Europeans have a role to play as long as they don’t have to choose between going along with the Russians and the Chinese or going along with Washington on something they don’t want. Their policy is to keep the Americans engaged in something the Europeans can live with. It may be untenable.”

#6) The Pentagon adviser questioned the value of air strikes. “The Iranians have distributed their nuclear activity very well, and we have no clue where some of the key stuff is. It could even be out of the country,” he said. He warned, as did many others, that bombing Iran could provoke “a chain reaction” of attacks on American facilities and citizens throughout the world: “What will 1.2 billion Muslims think the day we attack Iran?”

 
At 8:48 PM, Blogger glenda said...

(sigh) It just gets better and better.

 
At 8:54 PM, Anonymous earl bockenfeld said...

Wow. I just realized that this could make the immigration issue a serious moot point. We'll all be going he other way, into Mexico. Ever been to Guadalajara?

Naw, my only time in Mexico was just a few nights of merry-making in Tijuana, a long, long time ago. The illegals would stop coming over, and I bet that a few, or many, of the legals would be hot-footing it back to Mexico or points further south.

Since we talked about immigration, I understand that a new talking point against allowing Mexicans to become citizen is FEAR. It seems by some form of mind-reading, the conservatives have learned that Mexicans harbor lust in their hearts to take back parts of the US that was stolen from Mexico. Therefore we can't allow two many Mexicans become citizens.

 
At 9:35 PM, Blogger glenda said...

and they might raid the barn and haul off all the womenfolk?

 
At 9:54 AM, Blogger eProf2 said...

Glenda, one of the unknowns in the immigration bruhaha is the fact that almost one million United Statesians have moved to Mexico in recent years. So, the movement south is already underway. Buenos Dias, senorita!

 
At 3:12 PM, Blogger glenda said...

Buenos dias, tambien, profesor!
I know a lot of Texans and californains who have retired down there in American communities.

 
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