Saturday, April 08, 2006

Critics, Celebrities Oppose Hillary For President

According to the British paper, The Guardian, celebrities are lining up against Hillary Clinton because of her pro-war stance.

Here is the short list so far:
1. Cindy Sheehan: "I think she is a political animal who believes she has to be a war hawk to keep up with the big boys... I will resist her candidacy with every bit of my power and strength."
2. Kathleen Turner said she "had her doubts' about Clinton's potential bid."
3. Stone said it was "too soon" for Clinton to run.
4. Clooney criticised the entire Democrat leadership, including Clinton, for lacking the backbone to speak against the Iraq war.
5. Sarandon, one of the most politically active of the Hollywood elite, was forthright: "I find Hillary Clinton to be a great disappointment. She's lost her progressive following because of her caution and centrist approach."
6. Madonna: As reported in the Daily News, quoting an Out magazine interview, she said she was equally concerned about Clinton's chances of winning. The pop icon reportedly said she thought the former first lady should "go for it" in 2008. But she wondered if the time was right for Americans to put their trust in a woman president.
7. CodePink: "She's not listening to her constituents when it comes to how they feel about the war in Iraq," said a spokeswoman for Code Pink, a women's anti-war group that is helping to organise protests wherever Clinton speaks.


Hollywood donations are nothing to scoff at, and politicians tend to curry their favor.

And in related news:
Anti-war protesters interrupted U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's speech at Brown University on last night by heckling the New York Democrat for four solid minutes before police escorted them out of the auditorium.

Clinton was about eight minutes into her 50-minute speech, "Women Leaders," when an unidentified man stood and shouted "Is it leadership to support the war?

And there are other critics, for example,

"They [the Dems] genuinely want someone who is going to stop complaining about the way things are and start doing something," Frank Luntz, a pollster credited with helping Newt Gingrich knock Democrats from power in 1994, said.

Therein, he said, lies a major flaw for Clinton and eight other Dems he analyzed in focus groups with 700 New Hampshire and Iowa Democrats.

"We tested all the candidates and not one of them, still, has put together a stump speech that really, truly captures ... 'Here's the problem, here's the solution.'"

He also said the New York senator was making a mistake by getting on the Democratic bandwagon of hawking religion to prove Democrats have moral values, too.

Recent Gallup polling data showed that a majority of Americans steadfastly refuse to embrace Hillary Clinton, despite her virtually unquestioned status as the presumptive 2008 Democrat presidential nominee.

30 Comments:

At 9:27 PM, Anonymous earl bockenfeld said...

The republicans are trying to throw red meat to their base by beating the drums for Hilary. The election to focus on is 2006. If the democrats don't make any gains in 2006, then 2008 is not going to amount to very much.

Everyone is free to push or knock any candidate they choose, but it seems too early to make any decisions. But these celebrities seem to be doing what the republicans want done, keep public attention on Hilary but cripple her, and not talk about 2006 issues.

 
At 9:53 PM, Blogger Rory Shock said...

for similar reasons I could not vote for Kerry ... I wonder how many who voted for Kerry are now against Hillary because she voted prowar ...

 
At 12:30 AM, Anonymous Pekka said...

With somebody like Hillary, what exactly would change? It is incredible that even when this administration is standing neck deep in the swamp, the Democrats are barely able to make a dripple. And why is it that the Republican campaigns run rings around the ones by the Democrats? It's almost if all the brains in the USA are in charge of making sure that an idiot like Bush gets to power. The way the tables were turned around, in the last presidential elections, where Kerry was forced to explain his "suspectable" heroism while the guy, who bought his way out of the harms way, got scotch free, should be studied for every Democratic campaign manager.
If America wasn't so important to all of us, I would just have nice belly laugh and move on.

 
At 1:41 AM, Blogger meldonna said...

This all assumes Hillary is even going to run for prez in 2008...

Let's not forget that Ma and Pa Voter have been sold the idea that the Clintons are wild starry-eyed left-wing liberals, which has never been true. Hillary, as her husband, have always been, and continue to be, moderate Democrats. All the bloviating aside, they are both political animals who do their best to represent the divergent interests of constituents by riding the fence. All the good work that Bill did as president is lost in the public memory of some hanky-panky and a blue dress; gleefully promoted by a media owned by almost entirely by the corporate right. In the bigger picture, Hillary may actually be able to do the country more good by following in the footsteps of Ted K...

I'm hanging my hopes on 2006; we have a good chance of taking back the House, at which point we can start the process of Checks and Balances. Our country has yet (Bush and Cheney approval ratings nonwithstanding) to really admit it has a Problem. America is an abused spouse -- I'm just hoping we can talk her into Dumping the M.F.s Already.

I myself, have the same reservations as the celebs; but let's see what the climate is in 2007. I think in any event Hillary would make an excellent president...it would be nice to think it's a possibility.

Sign me
to Glenda from the Emerald City

 
At 2:51 AM, Blogger Neil Shakespeare said...

It's just bizarre. All they need is a swing of 2 or three percentage points. People hate the Repubes right now and for all the right reasons. And STILL the Dems come off as a bunch of pandering wussies.

 
At 8:50 AM, Blogger fallenmonk said...

Both Russ Feingold and John Kerry are starting to stand up and speak out about the war and the GOP mis-administration. Hillary has disappointed me on the war stance as I think she has so many others. While politics are necessary to win I think politics as usual will not work. The first focus however is this year which has to change the balance of power. I am at the point now that I will vote for anybody that will just stand up and tell it like it is.

 
At 10:30 AM, Blogger Peacechick Mary said...

Hillary's e-mails are in my junk filter as well as John Kerry. They have nothing to offer this country. Feingold; however is showing great promise if he keeps up the pressure.

 
At 11:06 AM, Blogger glenda said...

I like Feingold too.

 
At 11:06 AM, Blogger Gazetteer said...

Wow.

Who knew Hilary would become the next Hubert Humphrey.

Maybe it's time for her to dust off the ol' 'Politics of Joy'.

.

 
At 11:34 AM, Blogger fallenmonk said...

Peacechick Mary I am with you all the way on Hillary but I am beginning to get some respect for John back. He has been making some noise of late and I still think he would have made a good President. He was failed by his campaign and the media but we are starting to see some of the old John Kerry re-emerge. I will support anyone who stands up and challenges the current admimistration and John is doing that.
I still have "Going Up River" on my laptop and every once in a while I watch it just to remind me of what could have been.

 
At 12:20 PM, Blogger Irzan said...

Hi Glenda. Thanks for your visit to my blog, and I am kinda set back by your blog content (politics isn't really much my thing now i guess - used to being so active politically back in high school and college).

In my opinion having a woman leader is good! At least America never did has a woman leader before (or has it?)

I used to stay in Oklahoma City in 1996-1999, and it was a lovely experience. I loved the way Americans think about people (generally that is) and how warming and encouraging they are towards foreigners.

Maybe the fact that there are so many foreigners in America made the original Americans so friendly.

Hence answers your comment about racism before ;)

 
At 2:14 PM, Blogger Kvatch said...

Add me to the list. As far as I'm concerned Gore or Clinton would be equally objectionable. More of the same failed strategies for energizing the progressives.

 
At 2:22 PM, Blogger Stella said...

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At 2:28 PM, Blogger Stella said...

Exactly! The Swiftspeech contributors don't want to see another spineless individual as President whose duplicitous political machinations will further destroy the Executive branch. She's completely "GOP light."

Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) would make a great president. Now SHE has a spine: and Molly Ivins should be VP.

Link: http://swiftspeech.blogspot.com/2006/04/no-hillary-in-2008.html.

 
At 3:04 PM, Blogger glenda said...

Wow. i went over the The Blue Republic for a few hours and look at the party. hi everyone.

A special welcome to Irzan, who is a medical student in the Ukraine. I love his site because it gives me such a unique window into a culture very different from mine..are you coming back to the states some day?

I don't think I could support Hillary at this point either. Unless it came down to her and a Republican. Although I think she is brilliant and capable, she has turned her back on things that are too important to me. Dean and Kerry are finally breaking out of their winter cocoons to speak out, but at least we are hearing from them. :)

 
At 5:37 PM, Blogger Angie said...

Add me to the list of those who are Boxer fans. And great blog. :)

 
At 8:27 PM, Blogger Jeremy said...

Wow, this is really interesting. I remember when right after the Colin Powell Bullshit Parade at the UN, she basically said, "well, I'm convinced."

I find that it will be impossible for her to win anything. Republicans hate her. Liberal Democrats can't support someone who supported the war as much as she did, yet she's going to be courting votes of those against the war.

I have no idea who we can run to beat Rudy or Frist or whoever they throw at us. I wish Bush could run again :-(

 
At 9:44 PM, Blogger Stella said...

Jeremy...(-shudder-)

Bush CAN run again. His name is "Jeb" or maybe "Neil."

 
At 1:10 AM, Blogger glenda said...

That's the problem. All the smart, capable people we have, who would want to join the circus that has become politics? Who would want to jump onto that cesspool of silky-tongues lairs you are surrounded with and must do business with daily?

 
At 9:54 AM, Blogger Lily said...

Well Glenda- I hate to be the meanie but in all honesty, I don't give a flying fuck what these celebrities think because most of them are inconsistent press-courters who could use their fame to contribute more than they do- not to say that there aren't many that do. But they seem to do it in an opportunistic self serving manner that is irritating.

My thinking on Hillary is that she is not very different than Kerry, and we have to face that this is the direction the Democratic party has gone in. We can lament that or we can bite the bullet and say that they must stop taking the progressive vote for granted. As it stands, why should they be concerned with the left? We are in their pockets. They must chase the iffy center at all costs and they sell us out to do so.
I asked this at Blue Republic in the forums- whats the answer then? Third parties? They don't seem to take off and everyone fears that they will take votes. The other option is as I described, the Progressive Democrats (PDA) strategy to get seats at the caucus/convention table, try to influence at the primary and platform level and small local races that are winnable by progressives.
What we cannot do is blame people like Hillary for catering when she has no reason not to cater to the middle. I am not going to say she is an ideal candidate just because I want a woman President!

It pisses me off that everyone acts like there are no other women that would make solid vable candidates. Let Hillary go, lets keep looking!!!

 
At 12:35 PM, Blogger pissed off patricia said...

Let's just nominate Russ Feingold and get started on his campaign. I'm tired of hearing about Hillary like we have no other choice. That's bs and that's exactly what happened last time. Kerry was our candidate before most of us even had a say in the matter.

 
At 11:55 AM, Blogger Candace said...

I don't what the hell we're gonna do in '08. There is no. way. Americans are going to elect Sen. Clinton. It's unfortunate that she's been supportive of the war, but the real reason she won't get elected is because she is an assertive woman. It's okay for a man to be assertive, even aggressive, but not for a woman. An assertive woman is, say it with me, Sistahs: a bitch.

 
At 12:27 PM, Blogger Citisucks said...

I'm going to take a different position. It doesn't matter who we go to the poles to vote for if the whole voting system is rigged. It also doesn't matter if we have a system where we can't harldy even tell the difference between parties and actually have to ask the suppossed "opposition party" what their stance is on exiling innocent people. This is why you won't see me supporting anyone in either major party.

 
At 12:30 PM, Blogger Citisucks said...

Irzan,
Thanks for commenting, I hope you will stay interested in politics and learn about the scary things that are really going on in a world where the government and rich are conspiring together to keep us all poor and turn us into a slave class for their own personal gain. I don't think it matters if we have a female president or not. What matters is that we have someone in power you will bring the power back to the people and unfortunetly this doesn't exist in either of the major parties.

 
At 4:53 PM, Blogger Justine said...

I'd like to see a woman President of the US. It would be a historic vote. I think there are women who would rally to this opportunity to elect a woman President. Others will turn out just to participate in a historic election. After 43 male Presidents it's long overdue. Those who say that some democrats may vote against her (because of her gender) are entirely misguided. Democrats will vote for her (they're hardly going to vote Republican after all they've seen in the last few years). The only people likely to be put off by gender are a small minority of Republican men, not likely to vote for a democrat at any rate! She could win over some Republican women and has already won over some of them in New York.

 
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